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Kal thondri mann thondraa….

An inscription says “Kal thondri mann thondraa kaalathe mun thondri mootha kudi thamizh kudi”. This means that Tamil civilization existed in the world even before sand was born out of stone.

I recently read this article. http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2009-09-25/india/28107253_1_incidence-of-genetic-diseases-indians-tribes. This study was conducted by CCMB scientists in collaboration with researchers at Harvard Medical School, Harvard School of Public Health and the Broad Institute of Harvard and MIT.

Excerpts from this article: The study analyzed 500,000 genetic markers across the genomes of 132 individuals from 25 diverse groups from 13 states.

“The initial settlement took place 65000 years ago in the Andamans and in ancient south India around the same time, which led to population growth in this part,” said Thangarajan. He added, “At a later stage, 40000 years ago, the ancient north Indians emerged which in turn led to rise in numbers here. But at some point of time, the ancient north and the ancient south mixed, giving birth to a different set of population. And that is the population which exists now and there is a genetic relationship between the populations within India.”

The researchers, who are now keen on exploring whether Eurasians descended from ANI, find in their study that ANIs are related to western Eurasians, while the ASIs do not share any similarity with any other population across the world.

Researchers say their study of the tribes of Andaman and Nicobar islands using complete mitochondrial DNA sequences and its comparison those of world populations has led to the theory of a “southern coastal route” of migration from East Africa through India.

This is evidence of the statement in the inscription. While civilization existing before sand was formed may be quite an exaggeration, it is a conclusive proof that the Tamil population existed in India before any other linguistic population did. The fact that the language of this group, Tamil, has survived the trials of nature and mankind over thousands of years is an amazing thing!!

This makes Tamil the most ancient and contemporary language in India. Mind you, I am not an anti-Sanskrit/ Hindi person. Sanskrit is a great and ancient language too; with one major flaw of not being flexible. I feel this is the reason it has almost ceased to exist as a spoken language in India. The Tamil population has been more flexible and adaptive to changes than most others, definitely more than Sanskrit. This is evident from the extent of South Indian contribution to Sanskrit literature. Adi Sankara’s works are a case in point. How much of North Indian contribution do we have in Tamil literature? Almost nil. Despite having very less North Indian contribution, Tamil has crossed boundaries and has worldwide contribution in its literature. The quantity and quality of contemporary literature in Tamil is just as good as those from its Sangam phase.

Even today, the Tamil diaspora is a very wide one. Tamil is spoken in over 20 countries by over 80 million people. Some studies estimate it close to 100 million people. Check http://www.krysstal.com/spoken.html and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamil_diaspora. Tamil is the mother of many languages but still continues be young and supple. All its individuality aside, Tamil is an Indian language and a language that India and the world should be proud of! The world is just beginning to realize this.   

I am very happy that I was born a Tamilian! Tamil pallaandu vaazhga!

For more details on Tamil and its evolution, if you are a beginner, read the book The Smile of Murugan written by Dr.Kamil Zvelebil – a Czech author who dedicated his life for Tamil or the works of Dr.George L Hart (US) or Dr.A K Ramanujan (India).

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20 comments on “Kal thondri mann thondraa….

  1. Harish
    March 20, 2012

    “Kal Thondri Man Thondra Kalaththe Mun Thondri Mooththa Kudi”….

  2. Dhammi
    April 16, 2013

    I like this. I want to read more about this. Thank you very much.

  3. Meenakshi
    April 17, 2013

    Dhammi, thanks for the comment. There are plenty of researches and articles available on the internet. You can read a lot about this online itself.

    • Anonymous
      April 4, 2014

      well i think u missunderstood this, its says “kal thoondri man thoondraa kaalathilee mun thoondriya mootha kudi thamizh kudi” which means “kal” kalvi arivu= education “man” mannar aadchi =kingdoms. basically This means that Tamil civilization existed in the world even before education and the kingdom was born.

  4. Rich_Tamilian
    May 2, 2013

    Great!!!

    “கல் தோண்றி மண் தோன்றா காலத்தே முன் தோன்றி மூத்த குடி”

    Can you tell us..who or where it the An inscription says? I need this info badly..PLease reply

    • Anonymous
      April 4, 2014

      well i think u missunderstood this, its says “kal thoondri man thoondraa kaalathilee mun thoondriya mootha kudi thamizh kudi” which means “kal” kalvi arivu= education “man” mannar aadchi =kingdoms. basically This means that Tamil civilization existed in the world even before education and the kingdom was born.

      • Rich_Tamilian
        July 5, 2014

        “கல் தோண்றி மண் தோன்றா காலத்தே முன் தோன்றி மூத்த குடி” Where was this inscription said or written? Who said this? in which work this great saying not mentioned..

        Many people start with “An inscription says” When you ask details about inscription, they go blank. when i showed this article to my prof. he asked this..

        Please help.

  5. Meenakshi
    May 3, 2013

    The source for this inscription is anonymous. Am not sure where that inscription is now. It means that before sand and rock came on earth, tamil people were present on earth.

    • Anonymous
      April 4, 2014

      well i think u missunderstood this, its says “kal thoondri man thoondraa kaalathilee mun thoondriya mootha kudi thamizh kudi” which means “kal” kalvi arivu= education “man” mannar aadchi =kingdoms. basically This means that Tamil civilization existed in the world even before education and the kingdom was born.

  6. Sundar
    December 7, 2013

    Hi, Meenakshi,
    Have you ever visited (so-called) history websites of Malayalam, Telugu, Kannada, etc. They are trying hard to establish that their languages originated at the same point of time or even before Tamil and not an off-shoot of Tamil. The funniest thing is that Malayalees claim that Malayalam is as old as Tamil and they contributed much to the Sangam Literature. (They don’t agree Chera Kings were Tamils) For readers in the west or rest of the world, it may give false impression about our great Tamil.

    • Meenakshi
      December 16, 2013

      Hi Sundar,
      Thanks for the comment.
      I am aware of the fact that Malayalees, Telugus and others are trying to establish their language as superior and ancient to Tamil. Not just that, there is even a book which my uncle mentioned – it tries to prove that Rama didn’t travel to Rameshwaram, instead he went from Kerala to some island on the other side!!
      I haven’t seen the sites that you are mentioning. Could you please provide the sites? I would like to view them.
      Thanks,
      Meenakshi

  7. Anonymous
    April 4, 2014

    well i think u missunderstood this, its says “kal thoondri man thoondraa kaalathilee mun thoondriya mootha kudi thamizh kudi” which means “kal” kalvi arivu= education “man” mannar aadchi =kingdoms. basically This means that Tamil civilization existed in the world even before education and the kingdom was born.

  8. Anonymous
    June 18, 2014

    As such this article claims that Tamil is flexible and exists after so many changes, Actually Tamil is a derivative of Dravidian language, so is Telugu, Kannada, Malayalam. No other languages claim the existence of Dravidian language to itself like selfish Tamil Fanatics. Article also says Sanskrit cease to exist, Hindi, Marathi, Punjabi, Gujarati, Bengali, Oriya, all are Sanskrit derivatives. This is how Tamil fanatics misinform their counterparts and turn into Tamil extremists.

  9. karthikeyan
    August 16, 2015

    tamil is a very ancient language, but dont compare with sanskrit, because it was a foreign language(central asialike kajakisan, tajakistan), tamil is incomparable with any languages.

  10. rich_tamilian
    August 18, 2015

    “kal thoondri man thoondraa kaalathilee mun thoondriya mootha kudi thamizh kudi” Thanks for explaining the meaning…multiple times.

    which in inscription it is said ??? i am sure someone must have mentioned in some palm leaves.. without say…Since you are not ware..is there any way to find it?

  11. Gilbert Bernard
    November 5, 2015

    I wonder why people don’t want to accept the real history. Forget about your own language. Plz go through the real studies made or existence.
    The numbers used around the world is originated from Tamil and the only indian language used as a official language in many countries is Tamil. The origin of Tamil or tamilian or suppressed, due to what I don’t know, unless people around the world accept the reality of tamil – true research or the truth will not come out. Bring the real to light without fear. if not also it will come one day that was the theory wrote long time back in the Tamil system.

  12. Gilbert Bernard
    November 5, 2015
  13. Gilbert Bernard
    November 5, 2015

    This will give every one a strong evidence – try to subtitle it in English will help to know about us. Thanks

  14. Anonymous
    November 16, 2015

    பிழைத்திருத்தம்
    நான் பதிவு செய்த என் கருத்தில் தட்டெழுத்து செய்த விவகாரத்தின் முறையில் அநேக தவறுகள் இருக்கிறது என்று கனிபொறி ஊடகத்தில் திறந்து ஆய்வு செய்யும் போது மனம் வேதனை அடைந்தேன். தவறு நடந்தற்கு பொறுப்பெடுத்து மறு பதிவு சமர்பிக்கிறேன்.

    மின்செய்தி தொகுப்பில் சமர்பித்த கருத்தை இவ்வாறு படித்து அறிந்து கொள்ளவும் தவறுக்கு வறுந்துகிறேன். வெளியிட்ட கருத்து இவ்வாறு:
    தமிழ் நாட்டை தமிழன்தான் ஆளா வேண்டும்…பிச்சை எடுக்க வந்த கொள்ளைகாரர் வேசியின் வழியில் இருந்து வந்தவர்கள் இடமுருந்து மீட்க வேண்டும். இரண்டாயிரம் வருடங்களாக பண்பு, பணிவு, உபசரித்தல், விருந்தொம்பல் என்கிற அடிபடையில் ஆன்மிக கொள்கைகாலல் அட்சியை சர்ப்னித்தோம் அடிமைகலாக ஆக்கபட்டோம். பிரிவினை என்ற பொருள் வைத்து அதற்கு ஒரு ஸதனம் உருவாக்கி தமிழர்களை ஆணிவேர் அக்குவேராக பிரித்து கொள்ளைக்காரர் என்னும் ஆரியன் (பாப்பைன்) வாடநாடடான் அனைவரும் தமிழரை பிரித்து இன்நாள் வரைக்கும் ஆட்சி புரிந்துள்ளார்கள். திரைபடம், செய்திதாள், தொலைகாட்சி மற்றும் அனைத்து ஊடகங்களிளும் ஆளுமையை கைபற்றிக்கொண்டு தமிழனக்கு பிச்சையிடுகிறேன் என்று இலவச பொருட்களை கொடுத்து ஏமாற்றி வந்தவர்கள். இன்று உரையிடுவது தமிழன் விழித்துக்கொண்டான், முழித்துக்கொண்டான். நார்யடிப்பான் என்று உணர்ந்துள்ளார்கள்.
    தமிழா எழு!!! தமிழா எழுந்து ஊடுருவு!!! ஊணர்வுகொள்!!! தமிழ்நாடு நமதே!!!!
    இப்புணிய தேசம் நமதே!!!! ஞனாவாள் உருவு!!! களம் இரங்கு!!! இக்களம் சிவக்க ஒன்றுகுடூ!!!! தோள்கொடு!!! ஒற்றுமை கொள்!!!! எழுந்துநில்!!!!
    படைதிரட்டு தமிழுக்கு ஒரு படை!!!! தமிழனுக்கு ஒரு படை!!!! இனங்காக்க ஒன்றுபடு!!! நம் கொடி எழுப்பு.!!!! நமக்கு என்று இன்னிசை பாடல் தொகு!!!
    தமிழ் வாழ்க!!! தமிழர் வெல்க!!! தமிழர் ஆள்க!!!

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